New visibility

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Group Terminator 158 31 50 Messages 5082
The project administration is pleased to announce new visibility rules now without problems with local coordinates.

The idea of the player has been realised.

We have introduced visibility in our opinion more understandable than before, just by the technology of detection and its analogues.

It is now impossible to hide an object without special stealth ability in local coordinates, you can only fly far away on the galaxy map. Stealth ability will be possible to get by collecting special items.

The rules of visibility and the influence of technologies on it are being supplemented and adjusted.



As the visibility development has been going on for half a year not all descriptions are acutalised at the moment. We will finalise everything today.
14 August 2023 17:55:26
14 August 2023 17:55:26
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Group toss Alliance Heroic Hegemony 36 11 22 Points 2 593 252 Messages 1
Quote: Victoria
The project administration is pleased to announce new visibility rules now without problems with local coordinates.
The project administration should be fired for maladministration
Quote: Victoria
An idea from 2009 when the game was very different
Quote: Victoria
As the visibility development has been going on for half a year not all descriptions are acutalised at the moment. We will finalise everything today.
So a few more days to do a quality job and to announce the change BEFORE it takes effect wouldn't have been all that hard!

When the Senators vote to reverse the change we'll see how much "project administration" listen to the players...and 14 years later do something about it!
https://xcraft.net/forum/topic_53043
14 August 2023 18:24:20
14 August 2023 18:24:20
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Group xerj Alliance STORM 28 15 20 Points 2 107 799 Messages 24
Every single change the admins make to this game make it worse. What is wrong with you people?

I can literally list a TON of changes I remember being made to this game and NOT ONE is good for the player...

"It is now impossible to hide an object without special stealth ability in local coordinates" Ok that's dumb, but you didn't tell us how to obtain the "special stealth ability".
14 August 2023 21:12:22
14 August 2023 21:12:22
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Group humans Alliance Combining the Zerg and Terran 42 20 31 Points 1 727 057 Messages 1
I'm definitely done with this game now.
14 August 2023 21:14:46
14 August 2023 21:14:46
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Group humans Alliance ЭФИР 64 37 80 Points 9 778 241 Messages 32
Victoria, this was not even discussed or even voted for in the senate that idea is from a player in 2009 and dosent even exisst any more so no it wasent what the current player base wanted this is a stupid thing to do this needs to be reversed and the servers rolled back after the damage that has been caused by a poor update that wasent wanted nor needed
15 August 2023 01:21:10
15 August 2023 01:21:10
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Group humans Alliance United Nations 4 1 2 Points 12 234 Messages 1
This would be an excellent idea, 14 years ago. Something this drastic should include a server wipe. Also the game includes your capital planet in your bio, how does that make sense in a fog of war context.
15 August 2023 05:05:21
15 August 2023 05:05:21
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Group Terminator 84 6 48 Messages 7575
Quote: Robie7979
that idea is from a player in 2009 and dosent even exisst any more

Hey, I'm still existing.
15 August 2023 12:09:02
15 August 2023 12:09:02
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Group xerj 31 27 27 Messages 21
I might be the only person that actually likes the change... Now go make dmg go to the lowest hp unit in the group instead of spreading it so that small fleets still do something to bigger ones and we good!
15 August 2023 18:34:24
15 August 2023 18:34:24
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Quote: kotek
Now go make dmg go to the lowest hp unit in the group instead of spreading it so that small fleets still do something to bigger ones and we good!

We had that in game for several years, it was called “concentration”. It was removed for several reasons, one of which is that we don't really want that “parity” between fleets with huge advantage on one side. We want an attacker to have a choice: send a fleet with small advantage for X fuel cost, but some expected losses; or send a huge fleet for several times X fuel cost, but with minimal or no losses. Having guaranteed losses was detrimental to that choice.
15 August 2023 19:37:22
15 August 2023 19:37:22
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Group xerj 31 27 27 Messages 21
Ok guys, but visibility of commets is bit too much... The mining is so slow you need to send a ton of recyclers to make it work. Now if you do someone will just knock them down for exp. This will really kill the market. Mines production is rubish and with no reliable vespane flow to bestiary there is no way to hunt pirates either. That will also havely handicap amount of other resources flowing from the map to players. This basically mean fleets are suddenly way more expensive (in a sense of time required in the game to build them) and everyone that already have a big one is in huge advantage. What is the plan here? I Really think you are underestimating what huge disturbance to the game economy this part of changeset brings. Am I missing something?
15 August 2023 23:37:47
15 August 2023 23:37:47
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Group xerj Alliance DANGER 27 20 41 Points 677 844 Messages 7
the most players i have known in this game quit becurse of BAD changes... first you changed the gate range that killed alot of them... then you changed the 500k opses, so you needed to be in an alliance to do them and not able on your own that killed alot more my friends... i barely log on anymore and deleting my account soon becurse i cant see a reasson to trust the future changes of this game... sad an awesome game is wasted in my opinion...
16 August 2023 06:41:05
16 August 2023 06:41:05
Post  Post #12 
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Group humans Alliance Freedom and FaK 65 29 23 Points 7 119 704 Messages 3
besides the fact that, in my opinion, the range of visibility due to the proposed rules is too short to allow players to play with and against enemies ( now enemies can only be in range , so alliance-related battles are mostly out of the game ) , there's a problem with the equality of rules among races : for example a station of a human inherithes the ability to look in a range form the techlology of the player, while a dunk of zergs needs to develop local techs and facilities to build spores, and for tosses is also much more complicated. Maybe the rules need to be more flexible and shared between races. it is also weird that the race most penalized in looking for enemies is the toss that is meant to be a fighter and raider.
16 August 2023 16:00:33
16 August 2023 16:00:33
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Group xerj 31 27 27 Messages 21
I am not sure toss is most handicaped. Try to find spots for queens that zerg economy rely on
16 August 2023 17:00:11
16 August 2023 17:00:11
Post  Post #14 
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Group humans Alliance ЭФИР 64 37 80 Points 9 778 241 Messages 32
UncleanOne, we still do not want this in the game the senate has voted against this update and want it reversed
16 August 2023 21:09:47
16 August 2023 21:09:47
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Group humans 6 2 4 Messages 2
I do not know whose idea it was or when, but i can tell you this was a horrible idea to implement this, with or without any warning at all. I went and refreshed my browser and cleared my cashe serveral times thinking something was wrong with my browser until i read what was going on. How do you expect me or anyone else for that mater to play or want to play this game when all you can see is 12 solar systems?!?! Change back please asap
17 August 2023 06:18:01
17 August 2023 06:18:01
Post  Post #16 
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Group humans Alliance Heroic Hegemony 23 20 11 Points 1 442 903 Messages 4
it is a bad idea .cant see the rest of the universe ,put it back how it was the game is spoilt i am leaving if not
17 August 2023 18:21:06
17 August 2023 18:21:06
Post  Post #17 
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Group humans Alliance Sector Vasina Galaktika 11 1 1 Points 125 192 Messages 2
I belong to the sort of weak, relatively new players that are supposed to benefit from such a change. It is now much harder for stronger players to find my planets and attack me.

Am I pleased with this update? Not really.

I used to be spied upon regularly, constantly checking my spy reports and trying to guess whether and when I'll be attacked. Was that annoying? Sure, but it was part of the game, it was what made the game somewhat interesting for me on the defending side.

Since the Update, no one attacked me even once, not even the Pirates. It is as if the game has died. No one wants to play such a game where all they do is pile up resources and build another level every once in a while. Where's the challenge in that?
17 August 2023 20:42:45
17 August 2023 20:42:45
Post  Post #18 
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Group xerj Alliance BLACK OPS 101 75 302 Points 6 924 310 Messages 17
My advice to those who make the game changes: Just play the game and not with unlimited ressources... You"ll see how anoying it is to play in the dark.
I need to kill and I can't see almost anyone.

LOVE FROM KANE KISS XXX

17 August 2023 23:07:09
17 August 2023 23:07:09
Post  Post #19 
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Group humans Alliance Combining the Zerg and Terran 21 7 13 Points 712 787 Messages 1
"not with unlimited ressources..."
Maybe that's the point of this changes...
19 August 2023 14:59:13
19 August 2023 14:59:13

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